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Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.07.21 16:24:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote: It's the 30 days of kill rights that are the PITA. If the gankee sets them reasonably low, then they make it difficult to operate.
Why not just get an alt or mate to clear them, while you are in something worthless to you? |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.22 03:52:00 -
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Gankers will always win 
Good luck trying to change things though! |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.22 15:49:00 -
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13 nonames wrote:no more criminal driving around hi security space seeing as a so call advanced society would not have wanted criminal walking the street
I just reread this and perhaps you are right! No more NPC criminals with bounties in high sec either. No more missions in high sec! Let's not ruin the realism of this advanced society you speak of eh? All that stuff can be moved to low sec.
This is a really good idea OP. |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:08:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:what troubles me is a) how easy it is for a gang of gankalysts to destroy my extremely expensive battleship, and b) the lack of real consequences to them of doing so, despite their being career criminal suicide gankers.
Then go play another game if this one troubles you. Complaining on the forums about how it's troubling for you is pathetic. Also, you keep going on about how gankers have no real consequences for their actions. It is almost as if you assume that no mains would ever go -10 and suicide gank anyone.
This is my main. I am -10 and gank people in high sec. I have very real consequences for this lifestyle. Everyone in high sec can freely attack me, without concord protecting me. They don't need to war dec me. I can no longer run missions in highsec for example, without overwhelming NPC forces blowing me up. I'd have to pay a substantial amount of isk for tags to raise up my sec enough to do that again, or rat it up, spending hours to fix it, just for ganking a few pods.
is your real problem with gank alts? What about other alts? This is EvE. Alts are fine. Deal with it! You are probably more suited to other games though. Perhaps you could go enjoy the world of Hello Kitty Online? Wikipedia says this about that game:
"Hello Kitty Online contains no direct PvP, though players may choose to compete amongst themselves in a number of available minigames." |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:31:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:
"Hello Kitty Online contains no direct PvP, though players may choose to compete amongst themselves in a number of available minigames."
What kind of failpost is this?!?! You need to DESCRIBE the mini-games!!!
I don't intend to find out by playing the actual game, but google helped me find this:
"There is no PvP system but, players can compete in events or mini games. There are no common rpg weapons like daggers, swords and such. Hello Kitty Online players use lollipops, brooms or other items to defeat monsters. End game provides co-op challenges."
Player cannot fight each other at all, directly. There is no player killing. The only PvP is competing to do stuff like, killing monsters with lollipops I guess? Who has the baddest lollipop of them all? Veers Belvar, that lollipop could be yours to lick  |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:43:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:It has an END GAME!!!
Damn I missed that bit. We can actually win the game? Can we create a guild there? Legion of Legendary Lollipop Lungers? That end game will be ours in no time at all! I'm tempted now.
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:I hear that rookie systems are a nice way to not be ganked.
This did cross my mind when I ganked the pod of a 9 minute old toon in Perimeter attempting to autopilot into Jita.
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Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:42:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Dedicated gank alts. These guys bother me, they have -10 sec status but are still able to function as gank alts in high sec unimpeded. All they need is a neutral scout to warp to. The gank alts tend to lose isk, lots of it, and need to be supported by other sources. They are not really "playing the game" they are just there to cause pandomium and try to stop other people from making isk. Generally the owner will just conduct normal activities on his main, so the -10 status of the gank alts doesn't impair his general gameplay with other characters.
You are really misinformed about this. Some players will use gank alts to make isk. You can make a lot of easy money ganking haulers for example. Also, blingfit PvE boats make nice targets, because the loot can pay for the cost of the gank many times over.
I want to quote this bit again because I find it really amusing...
Veers Belvar wrote: They are not really "playing the game"
Do you even understand what a sandbox is? |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:08:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: In general I would support a WoT style "penetration" system in Eve, where small destroyer/frig guns would be unable to do any real damage to a well tanked battleship.
I remember warping into a player's mission, to steal their loot, and then they shot at me, but I then I killed their maelstrom with my mighty merlin. It was great fun! According to you, I probably wasn't even "playing the game" 
I might be doing more of that thing again soon on my alt, because my main can't do that now being -10. I don't intend to rat up my sec on my main because I enjoy ganking too much. Consequences eh? 
In general, I think most players in EvE would quit if CCP payed any attention to such nonsense as you are proposing. I don't even know why you are playing it to be honest, if you are fundamentally opposed to the game mechanics. Is it fun for you? |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:35:00 -
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Dirk Decibel wrote:Any 9 minute old toon that wants to get into Jita chances are it's a newly created alt going on a shopping trip.
Yeah I'll admit, I was hesitant to gank the player when I saw he was less than a day old, but autopiloting into Jita so early into his EvE career sealed his fate
I really doubt it was a true rookie. If he contacted me claiming to be a newbie, I'd have given him advise on how to prevent similar from occurring again, and perhaps even a little isk.
I had no contact, however I did mail him something about the dangers of autopiloting. If he was a true rookie, I feel I taught him a valuable lesson about how the game works. |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.24 21:56:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:It's basically automatic and consequence free for you CODE folks.
1. Accuses people of "not playing the game"
2. Doesn't understand the game
3. CODE? Where on the mining barge did the mean agent touch you? And what about us non-CODE gankers? 
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Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:18:00 -
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Maybe you'd be happier Veers if the player-driven economy was replaced with something that ensured that the cost of things scaled with their attributes?
The player-driven economy is one of the games greatest features. Why do you hate it so much? Did you lose at PvP there too? |
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:42:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Maybe you'd be happier Veers if the player-driven economy was replaced with something that ensured that the cost of things scaled with their attributes? The player-driven economy is one of the games greatest features. Why do you hate it so much? Did you lose at PvP there too? I'm not sure you understand how the Eve economy works. The speed of mining, the mineral composition of ships, and the scarcity of materials are all arbitrarily determined by CCP. That 10 catas can kill a Mach is not player determined. The prices of the ships are determined by mineral cost, BPO scarcity, etc.... These are not player determined. And for the record, I'm a PvP expert.
My brain nearly melted when I read this, but after some deep breathing, I have confirmed to myself that I am indeed still conscious and not in a mad dream.
1. The scarcity of materials is largely player-driven. Take the Mach. It's scarcity is determined by the rate at which players get BPCs and build them. Believe it not, and I understand this may be hard to grasp, but even the tritanium supply is determined by... players! Of course, CCP put roids here and there, but they don't force players to mine.
2. That any Machs die at all to anything, is player-driven. Do I really need to say more? Nobody forced you to enter that mission and die to rats. Nobody forced you to fit and fly your Mach such that 10 catalysts would reduce it to a wreck. Players make choices and things happen.
3. Almost all prices are player-driven, apart from some items sold by NPCs. You say that mineral cost is not player driven? Did you know that when you sell minerals, you can change the price? Try it!
4. I don't think anyone is going to believe your claims that you are a PvP expert, sorry  |
Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:42:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I was going to respond....but I just couldn't bring myself to do it. Next time before you post something like this try to think about why a Mach or Vindi costs more than a Catalyst, and figure out if that is "player driven" or not. As the answer to that demolishes the rest of your arguments, no further comment by me is merited.
Such logic. Much wow. Clearly the fact that faction battleships require more player effort to make than destroyers is proof that all my other arguments are invalid. I can see now that there is no player-driven element at all here. CCP merely plops the hulls out of their backsides into the lap of whichever player is most deserving. The actual prices involved are forcibly imposed upon us all by the random whims of server hamsters. If they get enough treats then it brings the prices down. I get it!
You are so logical oh mighty master of New Eden. What more wisdom do you have to share with us? Perhaps some pro pvp tips? |
Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2014.09.28 09:11:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:
Such logic. Much wow. Clearly the fact that faction battleships require more player effort to make than destroyers is proof that all my other arguments are invalid. I can see now that there is no player-driven element at all here. CCP merely plops the hulls out of their backsides into the lap of whichever player is most deserving. The actual prices involved are forcibly imposed upon us all by the random whims of server hamsters. If they get enough treats then it brings the prices down. I get it!
You are so logical oh mighty master of New Eden. What more wisdom do you have to share with us? Perhaps some pro pvp tips?
Oh come on....stop playing it intentionally obtuse. CCP arbitrarily decides how many minerals it will take to build each ship. CCP arbitrarily decides how common BPO drops/purchases will be. There is no player driven element here, it is absolutely under the complete control of CCP. Those factors compel certain ships to be more expensive than other ships. If you would think things through instead of making smarmy remarks this would all be obvious to you.
I bow down before thee. The wisdom you bring to the game is beyond my lowly level of comprehension. Please accept my profuse apologies for this. One day I may be able to live up to your standards.
That CCP decide upon how common blueprint drops/purchases will be is clear to me now. There exists a certain species of server hamster, golden in colour, which does bedazzle mine eyes, and those of my fellow pod pilots, such that we are in no position to do anything but follow him to the station when he spawns before us, and quietly whispers in our ears "YOU WILL BUY THAT BPO". There is no free will.
Furthermore it was the species of fedo/hamster cross, dark green, with reptilian eyes, that drew me to this forum, and persuaded me to post that previous drivel. Again, the will was not my own. The hamedo made me do it. CCP rules! |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.28 10:11:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Enough said.
I know that we've already established that the player-driven market is an illusion and it's all down to the hamsters. But I am really struggling with how the hamsters set the price of Plex. Can you please elaborate on this? |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.28 10:18:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Enough said. I know that we've already established that the player-driven market is an illusion and it's all down to the hamsters. But I am really struggling with how the hamsters set the price of Plex. Can you please elaborate on this? Making a fool of yourself is certainly your right. You would be better served conducting some basic coursework in macroeconomics though. Learn about about market equilibrium and the forces that erase arbitrage opportunities.
I am being serious 
You have shown us all how the economy is quite difficult for some to comprehend. I believe that truly, the only person in the thread who can answer my question is you, given your advanced knowledge of the subject.
What determines the price of plex? |
Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2014.09.28 10:23:00 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:Why have they changed their mind about the plex price?
I expect that Veers will show us the truth here soon, but I am gonna take a wild guess, that the hamsters are mad about the ganking, and trying to punish us.
Just pay your sub and run missions guys okay. Or go to real PvP space. The hamsters have spoken!
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Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.09.28 10:25:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:too much mining.
I knew it! That rodent voice in my ear compelling me to gank. It makes sense now. Thank you!
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Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 12:33:00 -
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Froggy Storm wrote:Again that is the basis of your chosen logic fault. You suggested in explicit terms at least twice that a third grader should know what arbitrage is. (False logic) And that since someone didn't know what that meant (not proven) the rest of their discussion was then invalid though not related (false logic) Which then begs the analysis of "I don't use any faulty logic" which by itself is virtually impossible.
By this point, due to his complete disregard of all valid points I had been making and continued insistence that I knew nothing about the in-game economy, I decided that rather than continue with logical arguments, it would be better to fight fire with fire, or shall we say, absurdity
And yeah and it's quiet clear really, that there is runaway inflation and not deflation as Veers suggests, but I am sure he'll have an answer to that too! |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.10.09 15:53:00 -
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GCC should be reduced to a 1 minute timer. |
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:55:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:The problem isn't pvp in highsec. The problem is bot-like gankers who gank empty shuttles and pods every 15 minutes for lolz....and face no meaningful punishment by the police.
You do understand that if I go afk for mere seconds in space a 1.0 system that I am punished by the police? Also, i fly about in space a lot. It's fun. I get people chasing me too. They use probes and stuff you know, but that just makes it all the more fun.
Perhaps you could try to hunt me down? I provide content for those that do!
Bot-like lol 
Now Veers, counter this with trolling all you like, but you are so wrong it's not even funny. And I ain't responding unless you make seriously good points. |
Renegade Heart
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Posted - 2014.10.11 23:35:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:meet it at the outgank and gank
I am not one for correcting typos, but this made me lol
Unless you meant to call it that? |
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